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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 08:34:47
I think we should boycott the Tony Awards. This is digusting. Is this punishment for not going to LA?
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Posted by Brian07663NJ 2012-05-01 08:41:44
wow...I enjoyed her performance. I admit that I am biased because I really like her. Unfortunately, I am not surprised after reading both the Washington DC and NY reviews that frequently said she was straining her voice. When I saw the show in Washington DC she did strain a little but I did not notice it when I saw it twice in NYC.
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Posted by bjh2114 2012-05-01 08:42:48
Wow, and by Laura Osnes as well.
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Posted by Horton 2012-05-01 08:45:45
Ehhh. If you ask me she was completely forgettable. You can be upset. but don't start a new thread with it's title in all capital letters.
And @bjh2114, Laura Osnes did not "rob" anybody. She was nominated and BP was not. Simple as that.
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Posted by bjh2114 2012-05-01 08:50:06
Oh Horton, I am pleased about it! I just meant that if anyone was expected to take Bernadette's spot, it was either Elena Roger or Kara Lindsay. Laura kinda came out of left field. I am SO happy for her.
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Posted by adamgreer 2012-05-01 08:56:33
This required its own thread? It couldn't be placed in the "Rant about the Tony nominations" thread?
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Posted by GatorNY 2012-05-01 08:57:18
I thought Bernadette was great both in DC and in New York.
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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 08:59:12
Only a sociopath would forget the expression Bernadette had on her face the last time she sung "IN BUDDY'S EYES" to Ron Raines.
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Posted by WithoutATrace 2012-05-01 09:00:11
Sad about Bernadette's snub, but very happy for Laura Osnes.
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Posted by bryan 2012-05-01 09:01:23
oh good grief she is geti an award at the tonys
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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 09:03:23
bryan you are adorable.
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Posted by After Eight 2012-05-01 09:04:24
Qolbinau,
I understand your pain, and I agree with you a 100%.
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Posted by Horton 2012-05-01 09:08:43
I guess I am a sociopath. I wouldn't post anymore if I were you, clearly somebody mentally unstable lurks around these boards.
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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2012-05-01 09:10:44
Hopefully Kanye will interrupt Jan Maxwell's acceptance speech to let us know that Bernadette did in fact give the best performance this year.
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Posted by EponineAmneris 2012-05-01 09:11:12
It makes me sad she did not get a nomination 
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Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-05-01 09:11:43
HAHAHAHA. If anyone pulls a "Kanye" at the Tonys, it'll be Carol Channing.
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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2012-05-01 09:12:24
Oh honey, that'll just be because she has no clue where she is.
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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 09:21:54
Thank you After Eight for your support. It is quite devastating to see Bernadette's peers consider her performance a weak one, not unlike her voice at the end of "Too Many Mornings". But I think I will now listen to my bootleg of Alice Ripley singing "How Could I Ever Forget" on tour to take the pain away. Her fractured voice representing the pain in my heart and Bernadette's soul.
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Posted by henrikegerman 2012-05-01 09:21:57
Bernadette's Desiree was brilliant. Ok, shoot me, but her Sally was not great By point of reference, even her Witch in INTO THE WOODS, a fine performance not among her best, dwarfs it, and she wasn't nominated for that either.
caveat: I think it's possible that I may have seen her on an off night. But it only goes to show the thrill of live theater, and how ups and downs in performances - notable especially for troopers like Peters who go on even not at their best health wise - can affect how one feels about a performance.
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Posted by AC126748 2012-05-01 09:26:29
I think it was just a few months ago when everyone was saying Best Actress would be a race between Bernadette and E. Roger.
Guess not.
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Posted by madbrian 2012-05-01 09:28:03
But wasn't the lack of a nom for Into The Woods because she didn't stay with the show for long? I thought they didn't submit her for consideration that year.
I didn't hate her performance, but I'm not upset about the decision not to nominate her. I think it will help Jan Maxwell's chances.
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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 09:48:15
Bernadette's Desiree IMO had one truly great moment, her "SEND IN THE CLOWNS", which was so honest and touching, and fitted her voice perfectly. Her desiree also had some hilarious moments, where she could employ some of her skills and many of her Bernadetteisms. It had some odd moments too like her accent and unthoughtful line readings.
But I thought her Sally was a devastating thoughtful performance of an unhinged woman who just can't let go. I guess it's a shame about her voice. But we have the wonderful cast recording and Victoria Clark is about to step in the role now...it is tomorrow :).
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Posted by mschwager 2012-05-01 09:59:17
Honestly, I love Bernadette Peters, but after seeing her in Follies, I was underwhelmed and overwhelmed by Maxwell. I am not surprised she didn't get a nomination and I'm glad the voters can look past a big name and give nominations based on performance quality.
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Posted by GlindatheGood22 2012-05-01 10:04:56
I saw her in Night Music and Follies. I guess I just really do not like Bernadette Peters, because I found her unbearable in the former and I don't think she deserved the nomination for Follies. I didn't enjoy Elaine's performance either, but I really thought she would get nominated.
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Posted by rosekwbp 2012-05-01 10:47:51
I totally agree that Bernadette was robbed. She gave a wonderful performance both in DC and NY.
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Posted by beautywickedlover 2012-05-01 10:53:14
Bernadette really was ROBBED. I LOVE Laura Osnes to death, but Bernadette deserved the nomnation more. Last year was when Laura Osnes should have been nominated when she plaed Hope Harcourt in 'Anything Goes'.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-01 11:00:16
Guys. She's getting a Tony, for being herself. Just like she would have been nominated on the strength that she is herself. The second it was announced she would be receiving an honorary award, it was pretty clear (to me) odds are she wouldn't be nominated.
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Posted by HBP 2012-05-01 11:24:28
I am not not too upset about it. I saw Bernadette as Sally in August and was left pretty cold by her. It was fun to see her onstage, as she is kind of a celebrity, but I kept imagining "if this were a lesser-known actress giving us this kind of performance, people would be pissed."
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Posted by E.Davis 2012-05-01 11:46:28
I can honestly say that I am not surprised that she was snubbed. Oh, well get over it. Does she really need to be nominated to prove anything? I saw both her Desiree and Sally and I felt she was much strong in Night Music. Her only saving grace in Follies was "Losing my Mind".
I am just hoping Jan can finally a fresh Tony into that bag of hers.
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Posted by Borstalboy 2012-05-01 11:53:54
I always thought Bernadette would be the ideal Sally, but her performance disappointed me. The night I saw it she self-indulgently sobbed through "Losing My Mind" to the point where the song was lost and the performance in general was filled with audience-pleasing dosie-do's that were really off-putting. I really like Bernadette, but shes of an earlier musical generation who deliver everything in the script with a tilted head and a wink. Musical theater acting has moved on, as Danny Burstein and Jan Maxwell proved in the exact same production.
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Posted by ChildrenwillListen 2012-05-01 13:21:51
It's not the first time Bernadette was robbed so I'm sure she'll get there again in the future.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-01 13:39:50
I think it was just a few months ago when everyone was saying Best Actress would be a race between Bernadette and E. Roger.
Guess not.
Naw, baby, I was there, too and you are exactly right. There was quite a vocal camp who were resolute that Bernadette was a lock! A LOCK.
It must suck to be the only one of the four to be nominated, but really, she's the only one of the four who didn't deserve to be nominated.
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Posted by After Eight 2012-05-01 13:42:23
"She's getting a Tony, for being herself. Just like she would have been nominated on the strength that she is herself. "
Strange comment. Were Maxwell, Burstein, Raines, and Houdyshell nominated on the strength of their being themselves? If not, then why would that have been the case for Peters had she been nominated?
She wasn't nominated because snubbing worthy people is the modus operandi of the Tonys.
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Posted by PalJoey 2012-05-01 13:46:54
She wasn't nominated because her Sally was weird.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-01 13:50:26
Weird, weepy and wrong!
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Posted by After Eight 2012-05-01 13:55:38
"She wasn't nominated because her Sally was weird."
Sally is, and has always been weird.
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Posted by artscallion 2012-05-01 13:57:13
and unhinged, overwrought, one note and shallow. It was me that was ROBBED, when I paid $150 to see her.
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Posted by FindingNamo 2012-05-01 13:57:43
But Bernadette's Sally had an invisible lozenge in her mouth the whole show.
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Posted by artscallion 2012-05-01 13:58:31
And I'm normally a fan of hers. But just because you're famous does not mean you're always good...or deserving of a nomination.
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Posted by Taryn 2012-05-01 13:59:34
She probably wasn't nominated because her Sally was dismal.
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Posted by rjm516 2012-05-01 14:03:45
She really wasn't.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-01 14:04:22
"Strange comment. Were Maxwell, Burstein, Raines, and Houdyshell nominated on the strength of their being themselves? If not, then why would that have been the case for Peters had she been nominated?"
I meant if she had been nominated, it probably would've been solely because she is Bernadette Peters.
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Posted by PalJoey 2012-05-01 14:06:46
But she wasn't, so does that mean she isn't?
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-01 14:07:51
Yes.
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Posted by After Eight 2012-05-01 14:09:50
^
I understood that. But are you saying that it was impossible that some people would have thought her performance good?
I thought it was very good.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-01 14:16:25
Just ignore After Eight y'all. If he's in a Follies-related thread, he be trollin'.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-01 14:18:38
That is not what I am saying.
Her performance was extremely divisive in the community, as evidenced by the opinions in this thread alone, and I feel that if she had gotten the nomination, it would largely have been accredited to her status as a beloved musical theatre icon giving her a boost. People going "But she's Bernadette, so..."
Her castmates were generally more liked, with the exception of Ron Raines, who could be argued managed to eke out a place due to some well-placed snubbing.
However, she didn't get the nomination so it's all hypothetical anyway. And she's still getting a Tony, effectively honoring her work in Follies and every other role she's ever done.
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Posted by Mister Matt 2012-05-01 14:20:23
Somebody broke into Bernadette's house? What do you think they took?
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Posted by tazber 2012-05-01 14:23:16
Her original script of The Jerk.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-01 14:41:09
I'd be pissed if that happened, too. The Jerk is great.
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Posted by Johnnycantdecide 2012-05-01 15:01:30
This is going around Tumblr
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Posted by CarlosAlberto 2012-05-01 17:25:59
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Posted by qolbinau 2012-05-01 17:54:23
It is interesting how diverse opinions about her performance in FOLLIES are. In this thread alone two people cited LOSING MY MIND as the best and worst thing about her performance, lol. (In Buddy's Eyes was my favourite).
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Posted by kevin5 2012-05-01 17:59:34
I will admit her "Losing my mind" was not a show stopper, BUT I think she deserved the TONY for her performance in follies, she had me mesmerized from the second she was on the stage. She deserves it more than jan maxwell. Follies was a true gem of this theater season , I hope it cleans up at the TONYs.
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Posted by goldenboy 2012-05-02 01:25:54
Bernadette was not robbed.
I like Bernadette. I even love Bernadette. In Mack and Mabel and Song and Dance
and many other shows.
But she should not have been nominated for Gypsy and she was. She was (in my opinion) miscast in Gypsy and many people did not iike her in Follies. Geez she can't get nominated every time simply because she is Bernadette Peters.
Same goes with Angela Lanbury who was good but it simply wasn't her best performance.
The nominations were for the most part............very fair this year.
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Posted by chewy5000 2012-05-02 01:36:52
I was robbed last year. It was a devastating experience to be violated in such a manner. I feel much sympathy for her.
I hope the thieves didn't take her two Tony awards.
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Posted by henrikegerman 2012-05-02 13:21:55
ROBBED?
They raped her!
Rooted through her rutabaga, raided her arugula and ripped up her rampion (her champion! her favorite!)-
And she should lay a spell on them
Right there!
Change them into stone
Or a dog or a chair!
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Posted by Mister Matt 2012-05-02 13:27:28
Perhaps they stole her signature arms-out-throw-head-back move for Jesus Christ Superstar. At least she still has her signature hugs-self-throws-head-back move to console herself.
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Posted by EatTheBrownie 2012-05-02 14:26:59
henrikegerman, you might want to watch out.
Rape is never funny. You can't joke about rape here. Rape, even though the word has different definitions, is always about being sexually abused and it's not funny.
Obviously you missed last night's thread.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-02 14:31:31
EatTheBrownie, were you ever a former member of this board? Just wondering?
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Posted by EatTheBrownie 2012-05-02 14:34:49
No, long time lurker who created a username to defend Carrie but I've always laughed and found myself frustrated with people's posts on this board. Boredom, frustration, and actually having a username have prompted my recent posting.
Why do you ask?
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Posted by EatTheBrownie 2012-05-02 14:36:52
"ROBBED?
They raped her!"
Is no different than what Jordan posted about Darren Criss last night. Let's even the playing here folks because it's not right to jump down one person's throat with feminist rape culture and ignore the other's.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-02 14:44:24
Okay. I know what you're talking about, but that thread was already in damage control mode by the time I saw it. I don't know if Jordan was doing Sondheim parody lyrics in that thread or not. I can appreciate your indignity in wanting to "level the playing field" but I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume you're smart enough to appreciate that difference. And I say all that without taking any stand on that Daren Criss was Raped thread.
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Posted by EatTheBrownie 2012-05-02 14:52:03
It still doesn't matter. Jordan's post was titled "Darren Criss Was Raped" and the body of the message said "of a Tony nomination". While it may not have been in reference to a Sondheim song, it still was a completely valid and un-sexual use of the word. And people pounced.
The first part of this post is no parody. It's a blanket statement that with the use of grammar and spacing is equally offensive.
"ROBBED?
They raped her!"
Is not a take on the words, syllables, or musical phrase in the song. Later in his post he creates a true parody, citing changed lyrics to the actual song.
The first part is a blanket statement. And while I "do" appreciate it and think it's funny, Jordan's post made me chuckle as well. And anyone who laughed at it or defended it was accused of being lower class and giving in to rape culture.
Again, not right. If Jordan's post is going to receive a RIDICULOUS amount of grief, so should henrikegerman's.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-02 14:54:30
You reaaaalllly need to shut up.
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Posted by dramamama611 2012-05-02 14:57:33
Go back to lurking.
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Posted by henrikegerman 2012-05-02 15:12:11
EattheBrownie, obviously, as you note (I think), I was alluding to the lyrics, which were introduced by Ms. Peters. Perhaps you should tell Sondheim that rape is never funny. Maybe you should lobby for the lyric to be excised from INTO THE WOODS, and then what's that done, perhaps you could start working on THE FANTASTIKS, that show has an entire funny song on the subject.
And btw I did miss last night's thread.
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Posted by EatTheBrownie 2012-05-02 15:16:38
henrikegerman,
I know. And I appreciate your post. And realize that rape is made lightly in The Fantasticks and is a lyric in Into The Woods. I chuckled at your post. As I did Jordan's.
Perhaps the feminist posters who posted last night should spew their venom on Sondheim or Jones and Schmidt. They were adamant that rape is NEVER funny, even when the word is used to describe something non-sexual, and then they went on a rant about how The Book of Mormon isn't funny and is offensive and that only non-intelligent people would laugh at it's jokes. They seemed to assume that making light of rape on BroadwayWorld would create a "rape culture", which in turn would normalize and trivialize the act.
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Posted by henrikegerman 2012-05-02 15:19:08
Oh, sorry. I often misunderstand comments on this site.
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Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-02 15:21:17
I'm a feminist but I don't have any contempt for any of those guys.
Who were these feminist posters? Maybe you should save your rancor for them.
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Posted by Kad 2012-05-02 20:28:47
Here's the skinny:
Jordan made a post, going along with the "So-and-So Was Robbed!" theme, saying Darren Criss was raped, with no qualifiers about what he meant (though, you know, it was fairly clear). Backlash ensued. Jordan deleted his comment and apologized.
EatTheBrownie, however, went on and on and on about how people were overreacting, how there are multiple definitions of the word "rape", accused people who were offended of being feminists, and generally wouldn't let it go. What he's been saying here is a shadow of what he was going on about last night.
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Posted by MTVMANN 2012-05-05 13:29:53
They won't even show her accepting her award on TV, will they? In fact, isn't this award given at an earlier ceremony?
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Posted by justoldbill 2012-05-06 20:39:36
Such awards are generally given during the pre-network segment of the festivities, although I suspect Hugh Jackman will receive full telecast coverage with his David Merrick Humanitarian Award while lesser mortals get the usual Tony shaft, like national treasure Marian Seldes. Does ANYONE give this annual clambake any credence anymore?
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Posted by ljay889 2012-05-06 20:51:48
I said it in another thread, and I'll say it again. Within the past year, this board has had an influx of new obnoxious posters without avatars.
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Posted by justoldbill 2012-05-06 22:16:10
Actually, Marian Seldes was robbed. And Jones and Schmidt have written an alternate to the rape song to appease any nice-nellies and timid school administrators looking to do THE FANTASTICKS.
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Posted by jayinchelsea 2012-05-06 23:37:59
No, Bernadette was not robbed. Neither her performance nor her singing of those amazing songs worked. I've been watching FOLLIES since 1971 at its Boston tryout, and Dorothy Collins, followed by Julia McKenzie and Victoria Clark were the outstanding Sallys. And Susan Moniz in Chicago sang the score so beautifully.
